from 2.x to current version

Luca

Hi Jeff and everybody,
I can finally go on "translating" my old 2.x Mobius to the current version, I had to stop because of lack of time when I tried some time ago.
Would it be useful to share my Configuration File Updater feedback here?
Thank you!

jeff

Welcome back! Yes, please share your feedback.

A warning though, a lot has changed over the last 1.5 years and the original upgrade process does not work the same as it once did. Mobius 2 users have a mixture of Setups and Presets, those have now been merged into one thing called the Session. To have something that looked like Presets, I added a concept called Overlays which I wish I had not done. They add a lot of complexity that most people do not need.

If I were starting again, I would not do the upgrade process the way it is being done now. There is a better, simpler way to do the conversion, but it has to be done manually.

The important question is: while you are in the middle of a "song" that you are performing, do you often change Presets to make the functions behave differently? Or would you use one Preset for an entire song, then change presets in between songs?

Most people do things the second way, there is a configuration for each track, and each track has a bunch of parameters, then you use that configuration for a long period of time without changing anything. You may want to switch between track configurations for different songs or different recording sessions, but you use the same one from beginning to end.

Think of a Session as more like an Ableton Live Set, or a Logic Project. Would you change it while you are playing an instrument in front of an audience, or would you stop, take a break to change projects, then start something new?

If that is the way you do things, there are much better ways to organize the Preset configurations than what the upgrader does now. If you do need to swap presets while performing live, then overlays can be used for that but there are other ways depending on how many parameters need to change. If it's just a few parameters then scripts would be better.

Luca

thank you Jeff, I think one of the reasons why I decided to wait was because at that time the procedure of how to translate old structures to the new system was still a little unclear.
It was good you took the chance to make Mobius "think" different once you had a better idea of the organization and concepts behind presets/setups/midibindings/scripts and so on.

You see many setups and presets, but I was just using one. I accumulated many as I kept making new ones instead of updating the original one so to avoid the risk of finding myself in the middle of nowhere, if that makes sense...

So here is the result:
Click "Load File" to analyze a configuration file
Click "Install" to install a configuration after analysis
Click "Undo" to undo the last install
Unable to locate existing mobius.xml file
The expected location is: /Library/Application Support/Mobius 2/mobius.xml

Loading: /Users/lucamb/Library/CloudStorage/Dropbox/L U C A - P L A Y S/Mobius/Mobius 2/mobius.xml
MobiusConfig file parsed

Loading Presets...
Preset: Basic Looping
Preset: 2007_novation_live
Preset: Preset_2008_Live no sync
Preset: Preset_2010_sync
Preset: no sync
Preset: sync to previous track
Loaded 6 presets, new 6

Loading Setups...
Setup: Default Setup
Setup: 2007_novation
Setup: 20090814_1-4Sync_5-8Unsync
Setup: Setup_2010_Sync
Setup: No sync
Setup: Sync to previous track
Loaded 6 setups, new 6

Loading Scripts...
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\UnquantizedInsert.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Append.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\double_reset.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\fadeOut_110.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\fadeIn_110.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\fadeCont.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\recreset2007.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Documents and Settings\unguitar\Documenti\Luca_music\presets\mobius\scripts\mobius_shuffle_script.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock1.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock2.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock3.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock4.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock5.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock6.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock7.mos
Warning: Script file not found: C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock8.mos
Warning: Script file not found: D:\Luca Audiosettings\presets\mobius\scripts
Warning: Script file not found: /Applications/Mobius 2/scripts
Registered script names:
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\UnquantizedInsert
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Append
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\double_reset
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\fadeOut_110
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\fadeIn_110
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\fadeCont
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\recreset2007
C:\Documents and Settings\unguitar\Documenti\Luca_music\presets\mobius\scripts\mobius_shuffle_script
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock1
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock2
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock3
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock4
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock5
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock6
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock7
C:\Programmi\Mobius\scripts\Focus Lock8
D:\Luca Audiosettings\presets\mobius\scripts
scripts
Loaded 18 scripts, new 18

Upgrading binding set: Common Bindings
Warning: Unresolved binding name "selectedTrack"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "nextParameter"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "prevParameter"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "incParameter"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "decParameter"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Sync to previous track"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "No sync"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "sync to previous track"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "no sync"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Rate12"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "SlowNoPitch"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "SlowNoPitch24"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "down a 5th"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "down an octave"
8 Host Parameter bindings loaded, 8 new
29 Keyboard bindings loaded, 27 new
29 UI Button bindings loaded, 29 new

Upgrading binding set: Configuration 1
19 MIDI bindings loaded, 19 new

Upgrading binding set: Configuration 2 pmc
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Fade Out 110"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Fade In 110"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Ambient General Reset"
40 MIDI bindings loaded, 40 new

Upgrading binding set: Configuration 3 per midiwizard
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Fade Out 110"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Fade In 110"
29 MIDI bindings loaded, 29 new

Upgrading binding set: 2007_novation
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Cont Fade Out 110"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Cont Fade Out 110"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Cont Fade Out 110"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Cont Fade Out 110"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Cont Fade Out 110"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Cont Fade Out 110"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Cont Fade Out 110"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Cont Fade Out 110"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "Rate12"
Warning: Unresolved binding name "down a 5th"
50 MIDI bindings loaded, 50 new

Loading: /Users/lucamb/Library/CloudStorage/Dropbox/L U C A - P L A Y S/Mobius/Mobius 2/ui.xml
0 ui.xml buttons loaded, new 0

Click the "Install" button to install into the new configuration files

Luca

hello Jeff,

is my situation that bad?
:-)

I can certainly focus on a single setup with the essential bindings and scripts!

jeff

Sorry, I've been focusing on getting the next build ready and writing the documentation.

The upgrade doesn't look too surprising, scripts were stored with absolute file names (C:\Programmi\Mobius) so unless they are in exactly that location it won't find them. You'll need to teach Mobius where those are. I recommend that everyone set up a User Library folder. This is a folder that you get to decide where it lives and Mobius will automatically look for things in there. For example on windows create c:\Users<yourname>\Mobius. Inside that Mobius folder create a folder named "scripts". Copy all of the old .mos scripts you want to use into the scripts folder.

Next, start mobius and select File->User File Folder. In the popup window type in or browse to the folder you created. Once you do this, you can copy scripts into that folder any time, and Mobius will automatically load them the next time it runs.

You have several Presets and you said you only use one Preset and one Setup. The way upgrade works, each Setup is converted into a Session and each Preset is converted into an Overlay. If you only use one pair of those it is better if you merge them together into a single Session. If you send me the names of the ones you want to use and the old mobius.xml file I'll merge them.

The biggest problem we've had with upgrades is that some of the names have changed and the upgrader doesn't always fix them. So bindings that you upgraded may no longer work, you 'll have to go into the binding editor, and change the name of the function you want to use. Most of the "Unresolved binding name" warnings look like scripts or Preset names. The script bindings should be fixed once you create the User Library. If you need bindings that select different Presets, those are done a different way now, I can describe that if you need it.

You can send the mobius.xml file to seriouslyjefflarson@gmail.com

Luca

Hi Jeff,
I sent you the .xml file. Thank you for looking into it.
The directions you sent allowed me to put all scripts at their place. Haven't tested them yet.
I'm waiting to see how much of my old settings can be recovered and start from there.
The new possibilities are amazing and so the UI concepts.
Amazing work!

jeff

Sorry for the delay, I've looked at your mobius.xml file and think I can combine it into a Session that will be simpler than what the old upgrader generates.

Luca

jeff
thank you Jeff, no rush needed!

Luca

hi Jeff, have you had the time to check my file?
thank you!

jeff

Sorry for the delay, I've been out attending to some family matters.

I'm looking at the files now.

Luca

hi Jeff, any news on this?
thank you!

trevorn1

Luca is it possible that some of the issue is related to cloud storage? If not in this instance it might at some point, it looks like there's a file loading from dropbox, or I am misreading that possibly. If I can help with any scripts let me know, otherwise the rest, upgrade paths and things is a little out of my depth.

Luca

trevorn1 thank you for your interest!
I think the best way to go is waiting for @jeff to check my file as it surely needs good cleaning...
I will certainly call for your help once I'm back to running Mobius again :-)
thank you!