Rec/Play Script?

NickDomingoMusic

Hi, everyone. I’ve been messing around with learning how to create my own scripts for Mobius 3 to try and replicate Ed Sheeran’s workflow. Ran into a weird situation, and was wondering if anyone could help out.

I currently have a Record/Overdub/Play script set up to trigger on a key press (key 1) and a "All Stop" script on a different key (key 2).

Assuming that x amount of tracks have something recorded into them and everything is stopped, could I setup a secondary "All Start" script on key 1 to play all the tracks again?

Example:

Tracks 1, 2, and 3 have content recorded into them and are currently in playback mode. When I hit button 2, it'll trigger a global stop command and stop all tracks. If I want to play all the tracks again, I can just hit button 1 again and trigger the "play all" script.

trevorn1

NickDomingoMusic taking a crack at this, try this and see if it matches what you had in mind? And that it works, haven't tested these. Also make sure to save as a ".msl" file. Hope this works/helps!

button 2

#stopTrk123
//tracks 1, 2, and 3 stopped
in 1, 2, 3 {
Stop
}

button 1

#playTrk123
//play tracks 1, 2, and 3
in 1, 2, 3 {
Play
Restart
}

NickDomingoMusic

trevorn1 Thank you! I'll try out the "Play" script right now. I already have a "Global Stop" script that works.

NickDomingoMusic

trevorn1 So, I tried coupling the Rec/Overdub/Play script with the "play all" script you wrote out for button 1, and it skipped "overdub" and went straight to "play"

trevorn1

That's what I would expect, do you want it to do something else? If you want that to happen only when the tracks are muted or showing blue, try what I have below. Not 100% on my syntax but might be close.

#name playTrk123WhenMuted
//play tracks 1, 2, and 3 from beginning if muted
in 1, 2, 3 {
 if (mode==Mute) {
      Play
      Restart
     }
}

NickDomingoMusic

trevorn1 So, when I hit button 2, I have it set up to trigger a “Global Stop” script that’ll stop all the tracks and re-align the playhead back to the beginning of the phrase.

When that happens, I’m basically trying to bypass the “Record/Overdub/Play” script on button 1 and use the “Play All” script on the same button.

But I’ll try out that new script to see if it works in a little bit.

UPDATE: The new script still bypasses the “Overdub” function and goes straight into “Play”

trevorn1

NickDomingoMusic couldn't you use button 2 as a global play button? Wouldn't it be better to have it toggle that way? Just a thought, should work either way.

Also, can you share the Record/Overdub/Play and the Global Stop script you are using?

NickDomingoMusic

trevorn1 Yeah, I guess. Cuz I’m planning to implement a “mode” button that’ll let me switch between two different script sets for recording and playback.

Record/Overdub/Play script
case mode {
:Reset Record
:Record Overdub
😮verdub Play
😛lay Overdub
}

Global Stop script:
in 1 Stop
in 2 Stop
in 3 Stop
in 4 Stop

trevorn1

NickDomingoMusic ok I have 2 scripts, both working for me.

Button 1

#name Record/Overdub/Play script

in 1,2,3 {

if (mode == :Mute) {
    Restart
    Play
}
else if (mode == :Reset) {
    Record
}
else if (mode == :Record) {
   Overdub
}
else if (mode == :Overdub) {
    Play
}
else if (mode == :Play) {
    Overdub
}
}

Button 2

#name trk123MutePlayAll

in 1,2,3 {
if (mode==Mute) {
MuteOff
Play
} 
else if (mode=!Mute) {
MuteOn
}
Restart
}

I'm having trouble getting the Mute state for the RecDubPlay button to make it play all, probably just needs another couple lines separately for that but having Button 1 for RecDubPlay and Button 2 for StartStop or Mute/RestartPlay in this case should work. Lemme know how it goes!

NickDomingoMusic

trevorn1 I managed to get the Button One script to trigger "PlayAll" by changing the "if (mode == mute)" section to "if (mode == Stop)"

The only thing now is that since the record/overdub/play function is affecting all tracks, they're recording at the exact same time with the input level on all of them at max volume. And I think that's what Ed Sheeran's pedal is doing in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpAUb405FBw)

It's hard to tell because the rest of the Mobius track UI is kinda cut off on his screen. But the thing I think is happening is that the input level is being turned down on the other tracks he isn't recording on?

trevorn1

NickDomingoMusic understood, I understand what is happening and that's what I was expecting to happen. I'm unclear on what you would like to happen.

Apart from what IS happening can you tell me what you would like to happen? What should be recorded when?

Sorry just thinking I'm not understanding what you're expecting to hear.

NickDomingoMusic

trevorn1 No worries. I’m honestly really bad at explaining things.

I think it might be okay to keep the current record/overdub/play script but is it possible to implement a script for the different tracks for whichever I arm for recording to have its input at 127 and the other tracks input level set to 0?

Example: track 4 is selected and has its input at 127, and the other 3 tracks have their inputs at 0 to avoid accidentally having the audio track bleed into the other tracks.

And once I close the first loop and it gets to the “Overdub” state, the other track input levels will jump back up to 127.

When the “mode” button is pressed, it’d immediately switch all tracks into playback mode (green) where I can mute/unmute whichever track I want to.

So I’m hoping it’s possible to replicate that exact workflow that Ed Sheeran is using.

EDIT: I've figured out the scripts for each of the 4 tracks along with the "Mode" Button script.

jeff

Sorry for the delay, I've had to attend to some family matters.

I'm not sure where we are on this, but to answer the question "is it possible...arm for recording to have its input at 127 and the other tracks at 0". Yes, that's possible. It's a bit unusual unless it is actually possible for other tracks to be in Overdub at the same time as you are recording another track. Without looking at your scripts more closely, you have to ask to be in Overdub so if it is possible to do that accidentally, then we can turn the input level down, but it may be better to make script adjustments so you can't get into Overdub to begin with.

NickDomingoMusic

jeff no worries, Jeff. I’ve figured out how to write the custom scripts for this workflow. Everything is working as expected.

The only feature I couldn’t figure out how to implement was to arm tracks to be brought back when everything is stopped.

Like, if I have everything stopped and the playhead is realigned at the beginning of the loop, I can select, say, track 3 or track 4 and bring them back in independent of the others. The pie/circle thing on all the tracks would be going so I can freely mute or unmute the tracks.

Edit: Here are the scripts for this workflow. I had help from @trevorn1 with refining the record/overdub/play script (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1z94adeOQUGyvmObRsvdLPyuQ37SFdazi?usp=drive_link)

eirgo_s

NickDomingoMusic I'm using Mobius 2.5 so I'm not too good with the new msl script.

you can set the "Mode" pedal to toggle for mute/unmute mode with:

export variable mutemode 0

if mutemode equals 0{
  mutemode = 1
  message Mute Mode On
}
else{
  mutemode = 0
  message Mute Mode Off
}

and for each tracks

#name Track 1

if mutemode equals 1 && :mode==:Play{
  in 1 Mute
}
else
{
    in 1 input = 127
    SelectTrack(1)
    in 2,3,4 input = 0
}

Then for the Stop pedal (using the Mute all as a pseudo Stop):
in all {MuteOn}

In the Rec/OD/Play:
I guess you can implement this? (this is 2.5 .mos script). It unmutes in all tracks and starts the loop at the beginning

for *
	MuteOff
	Restart
next

I got this by reading through Schrodinger's LooperX script for the mute/stop/play arm.

NickDomingoMusic

eirgo_s Okay, cool. And this new “Stop” button script will let me do what I hope will happen when I stop/mute all the tracks?

I’m using this video as reference. Ed’s new pedal doesn’t use Mobius anymore, but it roughly works the same way as the scripts I’m currently using.

trevorn1

NickDomingoMusic @eirgo_s those scripts look good to me as far as the functionality I'm understanding you're looking for, just make sure you do the track based one for each track as he said.

I checked out the video and I'm not thinking you'd need all of this to do what he did there but maybe I'm just not getting the use case right. Looked like all loops with fixed cycle length and variable loop length right? Or maybe he does fixed 4 bar loop length, early morning here, my correct that later.

eirgo_s

NickDomingoMusic What I'm lost on is he is in overdub while in Mode in the 2min mark?

NickDomingoMusic

trevorn1 Yeah, the way Ed’s pedal is set up during the second half of this song kinda stumped me.

Because it seemed like he was in overdub mode (orange) and playback mode at the exact same time, which I don’t think is possible in Mobius. If it is, I haven’t tried it.

trevorn1

NickDomingoMusic I think he generally keeps it pretty straight ahead, all the same loop lengths at least I believe. I think he was just doing overdub, but could be wrong.

Try it out and let us know what you're not able to do 🤘🏽

eirgo_s

NickDomingoMusic this is the best I can do with arming it in mute mode as of now.
Once in mute mode, you can

toggle mute on/off on every tracks.
once stop is press, output is set to 0 to mimic a stop.
- you can then toggle mute on tracks and bring it back with the play pedal through restart and output = 127.

Library:

#library

init{ 
   InstallUIElement("MuteModeLabel","mutemode" :Text  :text "Mute Mode" :width 80 :onColor :white :offColor :gray)
}

export variable mutemode
export variable activetrack

Rec/OD/Play:

#name Record/Play

in 1,2,3,4 {
    if (mutemode equals 1) {
        Restart
        output = 127
    }

    else if (mode == :Reset && activetrack > 0) {
        Record
    }

    else if (mode == :Record && activetrack > 0) {
        Overdub
    }

    else if (mode == :Overdub && activetrack > 0) {
        Play
    }

    else if (mode == :Play && activetrack > 0) {
        Overdub
    }

}

Mute Mode Toggle:

#name Mode

if mutemode equals 0 && mode==:Play{
  mutemode = 1
}
else
{
  mutemode = 0
}

Stop:

#name StopAll

in 1,2,3,4 {
    output = 0
}

Tracks:

#name Track 1

if (mutemode equals 1) {
    in 1 Mute
}
else {
    in 1 {
        input = 127
        SelectTrack(1)
    }
    in 2,3,4 input = 0
    activetrack = 1
}

I didn't use stop cause there wasn't a visual feedback to know which track is mute/unmute because it doesn't show the mute. And I know little about the UI script to even try.